27 k I'm civil shevardnadze
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dramatic spikes in Valley have field interest in bed going
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the cyber currency phenomena messing a few dollars several years ago
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could have major millions today there's trouble on the virtual market so is it
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safe to invest your money now
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are yesterday's on it because biggest enterpreneurs a man known as Big
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because I the world's most popular virtual currency his sporting a new
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breed of digital multi million years
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but when BT collins biggest exchange disappeared
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millions of dollars of people's savings went missing
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can you put your trust in a virtual market
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what happens if somebody hacks digital money
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and why government so we good to shut it down
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and here we are with Roger very big could interpret I rejoice really great
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to have you with us is joining us from Japan
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now government's call be kinda financial pyramid
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but you call it the most important invention since the internet y
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becoming truly is one of the most important inventions ever in the entire
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history of the world
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it's the first time in the entire history the world that now
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anyone can send and receive any amount of money with
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anyone anywhere else on the planet and they don't need permission from a bank
1:23
or a corporation or even governments
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that matter and you can send or receive any amount of money just like that
1:28
for a practically for free and nothing like that
1:31
ever existed before the entire history the world so it's really really exciting
1:35
to see this I just bombing in spreading to more more people around the world
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but they could have been making the news lately because amount Cox one of the
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biggest and older speak on exchanges
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has virtually disappeared the chief is nowhere to be found the offices are
1:49
I mean for many it does look like a very definition other financial pyramid
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in action what happened there what what why why
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why did it happen when to disappear casoulos we don't know all the details
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yet but it's very very important to distinguish not docs from that point not
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cox's just one particular company that's using that calling
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it's not take on itself so if I it hotmail this appealed
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a disappear tomorrow who wouldn't blame email we were just plain hot Beyonce we
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should use happy anymore we can use Gmail or Yahoo or any other e-mail
2:19
and it's the exact same way with alcock not doctors had some problems but that
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I'm back on itself as a whole so back on itself has no problem whatsoever
2:27
and is still being used by millions of people around the world I feel horrible
2:30
for all the people that happen in our cocks mass but thats
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not cox's problem not be quite a problem towards a guarantee that what happened
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with him and cox-1 happen to gain
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on there is no guarantee that that won't happen again but
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I if you hold you back on yourself you can have the control in your own hands
2:47
we don't have to trust
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some other company that they won't get hacked or bad things won't happen
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on there's all sorts and open source software tools like botching not impose
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the one that I use myself
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recommend you hold you back on yourself you don't have to ask permission from
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anybody else you have
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all the information that's required to spend your b Collins
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without needing to trust rely on anybody and
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I think that's the real way to go if you're going to be using the kind my
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advice to you is holding yourself
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in your own back on wall it rather than trust them with somebody else but what
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do you mean when you say holding because yourself didn't people lose money and
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at the disappearance among Cox did they lose to be klein's
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they did but that's because they were
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they were allowing now Cox to hold their big points for them on their behalf
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and wall now Cox is holding their pecans for them they have to trust the mailbox
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is going to lose them
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and in this case now Cox wanna it appears to have lost everybody's good
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point and that's the problem
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but all the people that were holding their because themselves and their own
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had no problem whatsoever and and they still have all their backline so
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I think the real lesson to be learned from non-toxic incident is to hold you
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in your own wallet yourself and only send them to be quite exchange
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attractively going to be training with them
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well I'm Leyland like you said there's no guarantee that what happened among
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Cox what happened to gain so here's my question
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that day I'll if I lose my cash in real life raid I can go to police
4:10
I consumer bank right there's a higher instance that I can complain to
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big corn is not regulated by anybody or anything what happens if you lose your
4:18
bitcoins where do they go could you
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ever get them back could you complain to someone about that
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on to be honest with with your cash I
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I think if you go to the police to not good girl I can help you
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army know what I'm saying I don't think theoretically there's always a higher
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instance that you can complain to you I'm and in case a big point because it's
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not regulated by anyone or anything I'm just wondering like
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can I sue someone do you know what I mean
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yeah i i don't think it's necessarily fair to say the Connors unregulated
4:48
there's all sorts of laws that are planned but concurrently as well
4:51
arm but look at the people that know had money in the banks in Cyprus of a sudden
4:55
the government there change the rules on them and they lost a percentage of their
4:59
and there's not really but if they can go to combine with either with that
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point if you're holding their own wallet
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there's there's nobody that can affect us because you know what you have
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complete control over them
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and that's a much much much better position to be in the know if you're
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you money in a traditional bank or financial system because if something
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yeah you can complain about it but in reality you're probably not gonna be all
5:19
in why is the number I've been quite limited to 21 million
5:23
can that number ever grow
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that number cannot grow its hard coded into the code itself
5:31
and that's one of the most attractive aspects and pecan with US dollars or
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Euros or Japanese yen
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the government's can print as many of them as they wanted any time for any
5:40
and that makes all the savings that the non-white people have worth less
5:44
with a bit quiet because that cannot happen the price a bit coins in terms of
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dollars or Euros arian
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will have to constantly increase year after year as more and more people start
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using it as a currency so for example
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I got into decline a little over three years ago when I first heard about the
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call in there are less than a dollar today there around six hundred dollars
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on and in the future if they become really popular and used all over the
6:05
like it looks like it's going to happen I each single bitcoins going to have to
6:08
work at least tens of thousands of dollars
6:11
if not you know maybe even a hundred thousand dollars or more for each one
6:14
single back on that today is worth around six hundred dollars
6:17
and we're releasing lots lots abortions get on board and overstock.com is one of
6:22
shopping web sites in the entire United States they're accepting the comment
6:26
the CEO's gone on record saying that they're not converting the coins into
6:29
and their plane ticket to spend a portion of the college they receive to
6:34
I'm with my previous business I still play a suppliers and China
6:37
all the time with the coin and it's just us so much more convenient
6:41
to send or receive money with the clinton is with any other payment system
6:44
that ever existed before
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in history the world nothing like that's existed into the best ways for people
6:49
that understand the contest actually going to use its I would recommend
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WWW dot blot chain da tempo and make a free water doesn't cost anything
6:58
you don't even have to give your email address if you don't want to and then
7:01
you have a pic on wall that's 100 percent completely in your own control
7:04
and you can then send or receive money with anyone anywhere else on the planet
7:08
and you don't have to ask permission for anybody you don't have to sign in terms
7:11
of service it just works
7:12
Roger G have any kinda other money on your date you ever use
7:16
like any hard currency are you only use bitcoins with everything
7:20
yeah actually arm in in my computer bag sit next to the set here
7:24
I have Japanese he and I have US dollars I have british Pounds and Korean Won I
7:30
and have all the stupid piece the paper that I have to sort out every time
7:34
I travel from one country to another it's so incredibly inconvenient to keep
7:38
you know piece a paper that people have been using for 100 years as money I have
7:42
to use at the particular geographic area I'm in
7:45
with a call and I just bought my cell phone it doesn't matter what country I'm
7:48
and it just works hope it points from that perspective
7:50
are certainly much much much more convenient and other types of peace the
7:54
I still have to carry around with me I look forward to the day I don't need to
7:57
carry those pieces a paper round with me anymore
7:59
the casket something I'm trying to figure out the technicalities abusing
8:03
out like nowadays I'm not saying in fifty sixty years
8:06
what exactly can I buy with bitcoins I'm can I travel with them can I pay for
8:12
go to brand name stores for example pay mortgage something you like if I want to
8:17
biklin millionaire the first thing I wanna do is lie go on a shopping spree
8:22
shiran I think at this point a better question is what can t buy would be
8:26
sofort example I just flew into Tokyo a couple days ago from the US
8:30
I bought my plane ticket on cheap air dot com with that calling
8:34
when I was visiting US I page my hotel stay in but calling
8:38
I'm you can buy rights and outer space with the corn you can buy just about
8:41
anything you can think I've a with the coin at this point so I
8:45
the real question is what can you buy with equine that's akin to go to stores
8:50
I don't know brand name stores can you pay for college would consider something
8:55
in store sure ever ever University doesn't accept pic on yet but there's a
8:59
number of colleges that already do
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there's a whole bunch of physical real-world locations that you can spend
9:04
the comment that %uh there's a great website called
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quite map dot org and you can see all search locations near you that allow you
9:10
to spend because in their physical shop
9:12
are bitcoins primarily in online currency so there's
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price hundreds of thousands of web sites around the world that accept pic on
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Strictly at this point so
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as far as online Glasgow you can't buy just about anything
9:23
at their is something that you can't by with the class tracked leaders also to
9:29
that will let you exchange pecans back at your local currency in New while
9:32
it would never do that that's my next question how can be quite be exchanged
9:37
how does that happen get the same way as if you had a goal calling her a probar
9:42
goal you would I find a gold exchanger and you were given the golden they would
9:45
local fiat currency it's the same way with that kind there's another great
9:48
website combat calling charts dot com
9:51
and you can see listings probably over 100 different take on exchanges around
9:55
the world at this point
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that'll exchanger local fiat currency to or from that point
10:00
if you're in the US there's a great company called corn-based art.com
10:03
you link your bank account to their website just like you would with that
10:06
your Pay Pal account
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and I'll debit dollars we're counting give you but Collins or you can send the
10:10
comments no deposit dollars right into your bank account
10:13
and they just charge a a few that's a small fraction were paid our charging
10:17
and I it's a fantastic website and really community news
10:20
but my advice to everybody is a if you use that website to buy or sell bitcoins
10:23
store the declines in the wall in which you control the keys
10:27
from what I understand you can also create your own bitcoins right through a
10:31
process that's called mining
10:33
I mean and that would imply a certain knowledge
10:36
I've mats or a technological knowledge
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I'm says in a system limited to computer experts
10:43
only here on what I generally tell people in regards to get quite mining
10:47
is that you can kind of think of it as the same way if I as gold mining
10:51
technically you could probably go up in the mountains and dig around in Dixon
10:54
gold over the mountains
10:56
but your time is probably better spent doing a regular job and then convert
10:59
whatever Trevor money you're using a regular job in debate Collins
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just as if you want to go or he would probably just buy it rather than go on
11:05
an outstanding Fort
11:06
but if you're inclined there's all sorts for information on the internet you can
11:09
read about all the specialized hardware that people are building
11:12
to mind the Collins one thing a lot of people don't realize about pat Quinn
11:16
in the next year they'll be somewhere around a billion
11:19
dollars worth a bit Collins created which means that people would be willing
11:23
just under a billion dollars to mind those pecans to the big quite mining
11:27
industry is about a billion dollar a year industry at this point and it's
11:30
only gonna grow from here
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so basically it's kinda funny because it comes down to
11:35
industry have two kinds of people do really smart ones took in mind their own
11:39
bed clines are the rich ones who can buy
11:41
the coins right on there's lotsa people that that work for the consummate their
11:46
salary paid in decline
11:47
on there's more more that sort of thing going all over the world and I think in
11:51
the near future we'll see lots lots of people
11:53
receiving their their salary and the coroner the company that i'm involved
11:55
with the most heavily is called watching the info
11:58
every single employee gets paid 100 percent in the calling
12:02
we have no bank account we don't have high anything other than the coins
12:05
and it works wonderfully power bill leaders in the coin everybody's happy
12:09
to be to running the life that way and it's really convenient
12:12
Roger that take a short break we'll be back with roger for a bigger proponent
12:16
and businessmen to talk about the dangers that investing in a crypt a
12:41
and we're back with roger bird the crypt occurrence and her partner known as
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be calling juices how does that make you feel it here invested in 2011 the IQ
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mentioned in the beginning
12:52
11 big point was worth one dollar how does one become
12:56
became a millionaire and how quickly did that happen for you arm
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that's that's a little bit personal I suppose but if you buy
13:04
even if you buy at the cinema because now I think there's a real good chance
13:07
continue to go up substantially from are they right now because as we're seeing
13:11
more more web sites all over the world are starting to use becoming more more
13:14
people are already using the coin
13:16
arm for example the the website done involved with again at the beginning of
13:20
we had jazz right around million users exactly
13:23
I at January 1st now have over 1.3 million users and it's only been two
13:28
I think by the end of the year there's a good chance we'll have some around 10
13:32
so I the more people that use bitcoins because the supply is limited to 20
13:37
1,000,000 there can never be more than that
13:38
as more more people start using the price at that point in terms of dollars
13:42
and in the future if you buy some the quince now there's a real good chance
13:47
that we work a lot more in the future I know
13:49
person with my the comment I want to hold onto as many of them as I possibly
13:52
because I think that I will continue to go up but that's not the real
13:55
main reason to get involved with the coin just as an average person
13:58
there much much easier to use if you want to send money to people that aren't
14:01
standing right next to it is cheaper and faster and easier than any other system
14:04
that's ever been devised
14:05
in history the world but a
14:09
but also I'm thinking I'm thinking can you become a millionaire quicker
14:12
investing in be callin stand a regular guy who is investing in bonds and
14:21
my goal isn't to promote be calling as an investment scheme
14:24
but if you ask me directly as that yeah I think
14:28
I made a bet to a little over two years ago that the Collingwood outperform gold
14:33
silver and the US stock market by more than one hundred times
14:37
night at ten thousand dollars the time I said that the I said they would do that
14:40
over the next two years
14:42
and in fact he didn't do that over the next two years
14:45
it took a hour two years and two months so in two years and two months I took
14:49
the ten thousand dollars that
14:51
worth a bit Collins that were that I but at the time it at that in two years and
14:54
two months later that ten thousand dollars
14:56
was worth over I'm are 1.1 million US dollars so in two years
15:01
it went from ten thousand dollars to over 1.1 million dollars
15:05
and I donated all those to the foundation for Economic Education
15:08
which is a exactly what the name says it's a foundation that educates people
15:13
and because their books and articles to read when I was younger that allowed me
15:17
just how amazing because I was going to be and I i
15:21
I'm definitely been proved right at this point it's getting more more popularity
15:24
and more more people are starting to use it
15:26
and I think we'll see some similar increases to that over the next two
15:29
but because valujet im so up and down so drastically
15:33
in a space in the week how can you trust something that is so unstable and
15:38
arm it does jump around and that's because the market cap is still so
15:43
arm as pecan becomes more popular in the market cap is larger
15:47
the the stability above because it will increase
15:51
too can you loan or borrow money within the beacon system
15:54
sure people are borrowing more money all the time with the coin there's all sorts
15:59
of markets for that there's all sorts of trading and
16:02
and things like that going on with bitcoins makes it incredibly easy to
16:05
love someone you know one dollar work the corner one million dollars worth at
16:08
that point to or from anywhere on the planet with people they trust each other
16:11
and there's all sorts of interesting technological things that people can
16:15
called multi signature transactions so for example if
16:18
some pecans are sent to a particular but congress you can have it setup so that
16:22
three separate people control their address
16:24
and any to have those three can can spend the big pointy can set up altered
16:28
esker systems and all sorts of interesting things
16:30
to make it much much safer for people to use our loaner borrow
16:34
the contest so there is some kinda regulation within the system
16:38
it's not completely unregulated so
16:41
bit coin itself is regulated by the laws of mathematics
16:45
and those are the same anywhere in the universe and cannot be changed I
16:48
men King on pass whatever loss they want but that doesn't change the laws of
16:52
at the end of the day politicians will pass whatever laws they want but that
16:56
won't change the way back when itself functions
16:58
and people just choose whether or not they personally want to follow those
17:01
rules regulations for the college that they're using
17:04
but be kind is a piece of computer code like you said it's regulated by
17:09
laws mathematics where does its market value come from
17:14
its market value comes from its utility because be colin is so incredibly useful
17:20
people just spontaneously started using it that way and as more more people
17:23
start using it that way it has even more more by
17:26
because there's more people you can trade with the coin with and because the
17:30
anytime you have a demand for something with a scare supplied the price is going
17:33
to be set by supply and demand
17:35
and the demand has been increasing year after year in the supply staying about
17:40
so the price has been increased to accommodate that additional demand I
17:42
think really clearly we're going to see that continue to happen
17:45
over the next couple of years as well but but it's still only a computer
17:50
bacon exchanges have been coming under massive cyber attacks from
17:54
unknown sources things behind them
17:57
I don't know I don't have an opinion people going hack things and do bad
18:01
things on the internet all the time
18:02
I'm sure there's lotsa people that have various more motivations for that
18:06
I'm not one of them so I don't really have an opinion as as to what they're
18:08
doing but I'm confident that to
18:10
lots of smart good people out there will find ways to deal with the cyber attacks
18:14
and cut its not be a problem for normal people that just want to use the
18:17
or just when teams declines but but at this point still a big danger though for
18:21
those who think that because hacker proof because it's so heavily cryptid
18:26
sherbet made quite as dangerous don't put all your eggs in one basket don't
18:29
put your entire life savings into the coin
18:31
but if you're careful about what you're doing and use strong passwords and use
18:35
computer security you can use because very very safely
18:39
to send basically any amount of money anywhere in the world
18:42
I so if you're careful with what you're doing you can use biklin safely
18:46
it's not ready for your grandmother to use yet but lots lots have a really
18:49
smart computer programmers
18:51
are working on this offer tours that eventually will make that kind easy and
18:54
safe enough for your grandmother to use
18:56
but I guess with all the perks that bring pecan brings
18:59
I'm terror is a side effect the system clearly facilitates crime
19:04
you can buy drugs are miss your payments will be in traceable
19:07
it's very accessible its quick admit only sing obvious that somebody needs to
19:12
that part least everything you just said
19:16
applies equally to cash so on I don't see because it being any more disruptive
19:20
or destructive in that sense
19:22
in cash people use cash to buy drugs and guns and carriers and whatever else you
19:26
on yes some people do some bad things will be calling but that doesn't mean
19:30
that the rest the world should be deprived from the ability
19:33
to being able to send any amount of money to or from anyone anyone on the
19:37
almost for free and that's a wonderful wonderful thing that's going to improve
19:41
literally billions of people across the world and just because some people might
19:46
isn't any sort of reason to try and delay or squash a hold back this
19:49
wonderful invention that's going to improve
19:51
to live just about everybody well on asking is that
19:55
if you come up with a virtual currency carmen cocks really do anything about
19:58
that because it's not against a lot you're not breaking any law
20:01
but if this wonderful on virtual currency
20:05
at facilitates crime this is something that government
20:08
can declare war on be calling for do you know what i mean this could be a reason
20:13
for a crackdown on pat Quinn at at the end of the day
20:17
people wearing costumes and shiny badges can do whatever they want but it doesn't
20:21
make it right and it doesn't mean that they have to
20:23
the moral authority to do so in the last century alone governments rounded up
20:27
more than 250 million
20:29
innocent people and executed them so at the end of the day I'm not really
20:32
critically interested in what the politicians think
20:35
and that's one of the things that had me so excited about that point is that it's
20:38
technically technologically beyond the control politicians
20:42
and I all in all it can be a wonderful wonderful thing is gonna live so many
20:45
people out of poverty
20:46
all over the world and the politicians try and stop that
20:49
that's on them that's them committing evil trying to prevent people from
20:52
improving their situation in the world and I want no part of that whatsoever
20:56
know about all I'm saying like no one's doubting how wonderful but kindness
21:00
I'm actually very excited to start using it myself i'm saying is that
21:04
I'm you know facilitation at the crime which is
21:07
obvious in case a big point I'm it could be a reason
21:11
enough for the government to actually officially come after me point
21:16
cabinet maybe they well but to I disagree with their suspended that's
21:19
what they should do and
21:20
to all arguments that you previously gave up label in cash
21:25
I'm alright I'm so what does it mean when people say that be claim payments
21:29
irreversible can explain that
21:32
it's actually very similar to cash if I hand you you know hundred-dollar bill
21:36
I and it's in your hands the only way for me to get back is to ask you for
21:39
to send it back to me and because the same way if I send you some pecans the
21:43
only way for me to get back would be to ask you to send it back to me
21:46
and that's very different ending credit cards or checks bank wires in which
21:50
you can call it the credit card company you know months and months later
21:53
and sale Houston my money back I didn't buy that I change my mind or whatever
21:58
with pecan 16 at the coins that's it that the transactions done
22:01
it's over wouldn't that have consequences for business like
22:05
wooden people wouldn't be easier for paper to lie
22:08
to other people that making business with like if he
22:12
iffy if they transaction is irreversible
22:15
likely we have also to tools to deal with that sort of thing so they've
22:17
offered to online escrows
22:19
there's all sorts about in basically anytime you're paying a company in which
22:23
you trust so let's take amazon dot com for example
22:25
if you pay with a credit card the credit card companies gonna charge around three
22:29
if you pay with that kind there's basically no she so amazon has a3
22:33
percent saving right there
22:34
I think about I I'll protect actually I'll go out here in camera I'm gonna
22:38
that Amazon dot com is going to be accepting be calling by the end of this
22:42
and I think not too long after that all the different businesses that are
22:47
I think they're gonna have to start offering a discounted for people to
22:49
paint the condo for credit cards
22:51
so I made to the law for one percent discount all the people that pay with
22:54
the card will get a one percent discount
22:56
an Amazon will save another one or two percent of the credit card processing
22:59
and everybody's happy and a in regards to you're paying with with the coin and
23:05
if you pay Amazon you know that if there's a problem they're gonna do the
23:08
right thing they're gonna give you your money back
23:10
there's an issue to make a refund send you another product I'll take care of it
23:13
I in the future if you're paying for some business that you're not so sure
23:16
about if you if you trust you not
23:18
maybe you'll still want to use a credit card I'm not predicting the credit cards
23:21
are gonna go away completely
23:22
but I am predicting that because it's going to become the predominant form of
23:27
but do you think that kind will ever replace national currencies
23:31
I'm hoping into it depends on what sort of fiscal policy government ap
23:35
it for government sir are restrained in regards their money printing and
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quantitative easing
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to maybe there's not as much of a need for be calling but if governments
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continue to just print money like crazy
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and devaluing their currencies all around the world people are figuring it
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out real quick with that kind that sort of thing can't happen and people are
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flood to want to use the constant dollars a year zairian
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alright roger thank you very much for this very interesting insight we're
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talking to roger for one of the biggest decline investors
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we're talking about the future a big guy and how more more people will be using
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it but we have to be smart about it maybe not put
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all our eggs in one basket past have now things with an interview that's it for
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this edition of seven Coliseum next
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